paul ryan came forward with his own plan, right? they voted against it, and the president forward again. that's called negotiation, you meet somewhere in the middle and meet someone on the other end to meet in the middle. are you telling me the president is willing it meet in the middle. >> with the negotiations like that, you have to respond to someone else. this is what i found, it's like-- >> and this is called politics, right? [laughter]. >> neil: e politics, and one side ideas and-- >> all right. anchors. ben stein, we have another, 1 1/2 trillion in debt. we've whistled past another graveyard. >> we are not going to be able to continuously get past the graveyard. it's a little more complicated than it seems so much of the did et is owned by the federal reserve they're never going to be demand to be paid, but reach the point where the foreign governments will demand exorbitant amounts to lend to us, i'm sorry to say, there's not enough to be done, we're going to have to raise taxes, and we're going to have to do it. >> why star